A Culture of Expectations: A Glimpse into the Indian Community

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Once every few weeks, I go home to my parents’ house and we have dinner together. In the last year my relationship with my parents has been better then it’s ever been. At least I’d like to think it is. We don’t argue about much anymore, and I actually look forward to seeing them every few weeks. Earlier this week, I  was at my parents house and that thread that every single Indian person over the age of thirty(who is not in a relationship) dreads started: marriage and dating.

First my mom showed me wedding pictures of a cousin who got married a few weeks back. Then she showed me pictures of another cousin’s new born baby. Then she started to tell me about how the people in the Indian community were asking if  I was going to be getting married anytime soon. In fact they’d asked so many times that she and my dad have had to develop a series of smart A#$#$ responses so that people would stop asking. Some of these responses were funny so, I’ll share them below:

  • Dad: If you’ve heard our kids have gotten married, please let us know
  • Mom: I don’t have any grandkids that I know of
  • My own smart AS#$# response if I’m ever asked: Sure I’d love to meet a nice Indian girl if you know any that also like girls. (I just want to see the look on some old Indian lady’s face when I tell her that). Even if she goes into cardiac arrest, it’s nothing to worry about because there’s bound to be a doctor nearby.

All of this I think was a not so subtle way to ask “why the hell don’t you have a girlfriend yet?”  So instead of arguing which I used to do, I thought to myself “shit that’s going to make a great blog post”. Thanks mom :)


A Culture of Expectations

In the community I grew up in, we are raised with lots of expectations. There are certain life paths that you follow and certain ones you don’t.

  • Get Good Grades: If you’re one of those kids who had your report card put on the refrigerator when you got good grades,  I can’t relate to the way you were raised at all. When you’re Indian, nobody puts your report cards on refrigerators because it’s expected that you get straight A’s. If we got an A-, people would ask you us why we didn’t get an A+. I have a cousin who’s grandfather was a math professor, so for every birthday he got a new math book. I guess the upside is that he’s good at math. So, basically the expectation is high academic standards from time time we actually get a report card. This isn’t so bad, since it’s sets us up to do well in life.
  • Go to a Good College: If an Indian kid told his parents that he didn’t want to go to college, he’d probably be disowned. I’m not joking. An Indian kid knows he’d have to be out of his damn mind to even put this theory to the test. Ramit Sethi even said it in his book I will Teach you To Be Rich,  not going to college would never be an option. Again, this isn’t such a bad thing. But, people will judge you for where you went to college. If you go somewhere second rate, you won’t be talked about at the Indian parties that your parents go to every week. If you go to a good school, then you’ve got many more expectations coming.
  • Study Something Practical: This is one of my personal favorites since I’ve never used my degree in any of the jobs I’ve had. I have a degree in environmental economics and policy, and the only thing I remember is taking a class where the professor was talking about how to maximize the amount of milk you could get out of a cow. Mention the idea of studying something that has no practical use and you’ll get some blank stares from people in the community. Part of me wants to find the UC-Berkeley course catalog, find the most obscure major in it, and tell everybody that was what I studied. The way I see it, I might was well have some fun if I’m going to put up with this.
  • Go to Med School, Law School, Become an Engineer or a Doctor: I know Indians are not alone in this. I’ve heard Persians, Asians, and immigrants in general fit this mold.  The question people will ask if you don’t go down one of these tried and true paths is “well, then what the hell are you going to do?” Becoming a blogger and planning to spend a year traveling the world to surf is definitely not on this list. Fortunately, I have a sister who has satisfied our quota by going to medical school.
  • Get Married before your 30(if you’re a girl, soon after for guys): This of course is what inspired me to write this post. My mom started telling me that people have certain expectations of you when you’re in your early 30’s. One of them is that you get married.  My stock on paper is apparently plummeting by the moment. What started out as “we don’t put any pressure on you about this” turned into a phone call from my grandmother who wanted to know when she was going to be able to wear a sari that she had bought for my wedding.

Then while my dad was washing the car, the first thing he  asked me was  “so, have you found a girlfriend, or have you seen any girl that you like? Are you even trying?”  I didn’t argue.  I told him about my attempt to use Okcupid and the overall inefficiencies of sending out one email after another (maybe I should outsource it to India). I explained to him that I wasn’t sitting in my apartment like a hermit and that I’ve been making a significant effort to meet people, but this stress about is not really going to to help the situation.

I’ve said before that that it’s really important to make the distinction between settling and settling down. Although I grew up with Indian values, the more I’ve drilled into my own personality with this journey, the more I’ve realized that I don’t identify with Indian values. I don’t even want to raise my own kids with many of these values. My dad asked if I’d ruled out Indian girls completely, and I said “no, but for the most part I don’t see myself with an Indian girl. I’m not closed off to the possibility. But the probability doesn’t seem that high.” When he mentioned that there are girls they could introduce me to, part of me was tempted to have him setup a bunch of dates and then write a series here on the blog about it. Then, at least something useful would come out of it.

What this comes down to is something simple. You should not live your life based on other people’s expectations. The Indian community might have expectations, but they are not the ones who have to live with my decisions. After the 500 person wedding that they want to attend on my tab, they won’t give a shi#$#. They’ll find some other kid who hasn’t gotten married to gossip and worry about.

The truth is I’m just starting to learn quite a bit about who I really am. A house in the suburbs, white picket fences, and an escape from my life once a year doesn’t seem like a very rich way to live life. In fact with a world so vast, I feel like this would only be living a small percentage of my life.  If I was bordering 40 and hadn’t been on a date in 10 years, then maybe my parents would have a reason to worry. So to my mom and dad, what  I can say is this. If you have taught me anything, it’s that worrying is a waste of time and energy. If I’m not going to waste my time an energy worrying about this, then maybe you should do the same. The community will never stop talking because that’s what they do.

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ThomasMrak 34 pts

I had some mondo-bizarro expectations. However, I was the odd man out amongst the "become a highly paid professional, or else!" crowd at my high school.Do well, but do it all yourself. Of course for me it wasn't so much "get into a good school" as it was get a good "Union" or government job. Which in some ways, is far WORSE as you are extremely limited! At least Doctors, Lawyers, and other professionals are almost always in demand and can practice almost anywhere.

Being tied to one company or one organization for life is foolish!

Jeanne B 5 pts

My Dad was stationed in India for two years during WWII. I wonder if he was subtly influenced by the culture around him, because this sounds exactly like the dictates I received from my completely white, Anglo-Saxon, Irish-Scotch-German parents. I got great grades, then rebelled and ran off and joined a rock band (several, actually) for the next 15 years. As I posted on the post about why not to get a job after college, I eventually "wised up" and went back to college, majoring in something sort of practical... now I'm pushing 49, haven't had a date in 10 years (by choice), and I'm just beginning to explore my passion-risk options.

You nailed it.
It always amazes me how the mentality is THE SAME!
How did this happen?
Surely our parents weren't being taught this in school ;) (Can you imagine 'Indian Relationship 101'..how to talk to your in-laws ;)

And I totally get the 'they set us up to have a better life' than them but living according to other people's expectations isn't right...(says the girl who had the 250 person wedding BUT I didn't marry an Indian guy so some win there, right?)

Love the- "a sari that she had bought for my wedding." I hear this *all* the time especially on my recent trip to India where my aunts and uncles who were 'teasing' my bro who is at the prime age of '27'.

Great post.

Great post. I feel exactly the same way. And although I didn't grow up in an Indian family my Dad is asian, so the expectations of me were as you described- almost to the letter! Even though as a child I was (fiercly) expressive, & creative, & had a deep compassion for humanity I lost myself in what everyone else wanted and slowly forgot what my own heart's voice sounded like. Bravo for your self expression and self discovery. I applaud your courage and grace,

and amazing website :-)

Warmest regards
Renee

Hello Srini,
I came across your blog through prolificliving.com - Just love your post above and how so very true. However, things are slowly changing back home in India even though folks who have immigrated from India to the US long back are still 20 yrs behind - I am referring to the generation before us.
Also, the book 'Don't Sprint the Marathon' (I believe the author is one Jaganathan) is a very good read on this topic.
Keep up the good work.

regards
Meera

ha!ha!
i LOVE this!!!!
you are one funny guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

you are an excellent writer.i am sure a lot of people have told that to you earlier.am i right?

Adam,

Thanks for your kind words. It's funny because I actually make grammar mistakes more often than I should. But, one of my favorite things about blogging is I can dismiss many rules and write the way I speak. I think that it's honestly something I've developed over the last year but I've always loved writing since I was in high school. I never got A's in my English classes though. Funny how that works out.

Great post Srini. I've noticed certain expectations within my own culture. I have also made the decision to live life according to what's best for me. I think that every culture has their expectations, but they don't seem to adapt to this ever changing world. The world and society is constantly changing, so I think that the rules need to change and adapt according to our changing society.

We should live by our rules because after all, we know what's best for ourselves. I really enjoyed reading about your culture, Srini. I think so many people can relate to your story.

-Gabe
.-= Gabe´s last blog ..Benefits of Being a Leader =-.

Gabe.

It's true that cultures don't seem to adapt to a changing world. Far too often, people fail to live according to their own rules. They try to live according to a pre-defined set of rules and expectations which restricts how much of life they can truly experience.

Thank you Srini for being so honest about a topic that is haunting most non-married 25-35 year olds everywhere.

I too come from a culture (big immigrant Italian Catholic family) which places the highest value on marriage. Looking back I can see that my dating pattern has reflected my family's values but not necesarily mine. I've been taught that "relationships are hard", always sacrafice and stay committed etc etc all in the sake of marriage. I've held on to unhealthy relationships in a quest to get closer to "making it in life" (which to them is getting married).

Now that I'm 26 and living in the city on my own, I've realized that it's time for me to set my own values. Although I will likely get married and start a family some day, I am in no hurry and I will not hold on to a relationship because the "clock is ticking." I've also lived with someone in the past and have come to love my independence- decorating as I please, being messy when I please, having no food in the fridge when I please, etc. It's hard to think about giving that up right now.

I've gone to 8 weddings this year. Everyone around me is altar bound. I have a lovely boyfriend but I just wish everyone would stop asking us when we are getting married. Can't we just be 26 and 30 and love our lives? Isn't that enough? And what if it wasn't and I got married, what would really change? What's in store for the next 60 years??

Thanks again Srini.

Nicole
.-= Nicole Crimaldi´s last blog ..When to Take an Unpaid Internship =-.

Nicole,

Thanks for sharing your story and experiences. It's good to know I'm not alone with this whole thing and there are others who can really relate to what I'm experiencing. The challenge of all this is that we value the relationships we have with our parents, but we also want to live life on our own terms. Unfortunately, those two things can be in conflict sometimes. I just don't see the point to living life in such a damn hurry. There's too much going on that you might miss out when you do.

Very interest post! Even in the Filipino culture there are a bunch of expectations, similar to the Indian culture. College, getting a job, getting married, having kids... I grew up knowing this was going to be my direction in life. I got through the first 3, and now I'm always being asked about the having kids thing. It's not as easy as asking about it!!

Everything up to the point where I am has really made me realize who I am and what I want out of life too. I learned to not care about other people and their expectations because they don't have to live with what I have to live with.

I think you're meant to meet your future wife when its meant to happen! The obvious line but very true - Things happen for a reason. :)
.-= Susan´s last blog ..Follow The Food Rules for Healthy Everyday Eating =-.

Susan,

I think that what I'm talking about seems to be quite common among many immigrant cultures. It's partially because our parents had certain life paths and I think that we have a disconnect with them when it comes to that because of the culture we've been raised in. The having kids thing is kind of funny too because it's like "you got married, now when are you having kids?" I guess to me it doesn't make sense to live life in such a hurry. I agree that things happen for a reason.

You've made a lot of great points; the more you try to please others, the less happy you are. I think you'd like my blog. Check it out!

~Racy JC

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Wow I come from a family of Italian immigrants and went/am going through the exact same thing. I know that our parent do this because they want to see us have better lives or at least not have to worry about our lives when they are at the end of theirs. In a round about way it's kind of sweet but I can say that it is frustrating from time to time. When I started my firm Financially Digital I caught a little slack because of the volatility in the financial markets and who would need a financial coach or business consultant. But a little time and a little success sure changed that. I think the thing about the culturally specific wife though has passed for me. My parents understand we are in the US and that finding a mate from the same places they are from might be a bit of a challenge so they are just happy to see that I'd be happy - I hope :)
.-= Nunzio Bruno´s last blog ..Money and Happiness =-.

Nunzio,

I've heard that Italians are very rooted in traditions as well. I know what you mean about wanting to provide a better life. In many ways what are parents did was set things up so we could have a better life than them. I think the thing that concerns my parents the most is they feel that I'm at "that age" where you are just supposed to do certain things. Personally, I don't believe that there is a "right time" for certain things. I think that nature has a way of letting things work and the more force you bring to things, especially situations like this, the less likely they are to work in your favor.

Sri, you have hit the nail on the head with this post. As someone from the Asian community myself, I can relate to many of these expectations. I forwarded this post on to my sister who is having to face the trials and tribulations of these expectations the closer she gets to 30. Personally, I would like to see a shift in mindset in these expectations as they can be counter productive. A certain flexibility is needed.
.-= Zabe ´s last blog ..An education in hardship! What I learnt and what you can learn too =-.

Zabe,

Thanks for your comments. You really hit one point well and that is the counterproductive nature of all these expectations. As it is, I think there's enough societal pressure on us to make relationships work and seek companionship. This dependency on external validation is something that many of us try to work on, so having pressure about it doesn't really help the situation.

Oh man, I feel your pain! And there's no end to the expectations - getting married simply leads to the next expectation (when are you having kids?) and the next expectation.

One comment about the 'funny' idea of having your parents set up the dates and blogging about them - it's possible that you'd enjoy the process. I finally broke down and let my parents set me up on a series of dates with nice Korean guys - solely to get them off my back, as I was dating a guy (that they didn't approve of) at the time. I ended up having a few memorable experiences (some good, some really, really bad). No permanent damage (to me or to them) but many, many good stories resulted.
.-= ami´s last blog ..Facing my fear – at last- victory =-.

Ami,

It seems like not that much harm could come from this based on your experience. Who knows, maybe I can invite all the girls to the same place at the same time and see what happens. I guess, the good stories would make for some good blog content which I'm sure the Indians would love. Actually, that might help my traffic.

Shishhh,

This reminds me of my family. I know from my own experience how much tension an be built when you don't want to live your life the way your family expects. But I also know that you can detach from its expectations and life the life you want.

Best,

Eduard

Yeah, detaching from other people's expectations is exactly the entire point of this post.

loved the last line, true in every aspect. end of day, you live for yourself and the people who matter to you and not for others...good luck. cheers.
.-= Ramesh´s last blog ..productivity software for a MBA student my personal take =-.

Ramesh,

It amazes me how many people seem to be constantly living their lives for other people and then they wonder why they unhappy for unfulfilled.

The whole cultural thing is a hard one. I think it must be especially hard when it is so steeped in tradition. It seems we all have it to some extent, but those of a strong ethnic background must find it harder to fight against. One nice thing about being a mutt I guess.

Often, you can't win anyway. My mother always wanted me to go into the ministry. When I finally did, at the age of 45, she told me I was crazy, ministers don't make any money. She was right!

Just watch out when you go to India in your upcoming trip. I assume you will see relatives. You may find yourself married before you know you're engaged! ;-)
.-= Steve Thomas´s last blog ..Stupid People- Not Technology =-.

Steve

Luckily that upcoming trip to India is for a friend's wedding and I won't bee seeing many relatives at all. Not that I don't like my relatives, but coming back with a wife from there is something that ain't happening anytime soon. I got a little bit too much living to do before letting that get in the way. BTW, another nice thing about being a mutt, is that when you mix dark and lite together you get beautiful offspring. That's why I always joke with my parents that if the want beautiful grandchildren, then don't stress about me marrying somebody who is not Indian.

I don't know, man. I've seen some real babes who are Indian. Besides, it's what's in the heart, not on the skin.

Personally, I think with your folks and all your relatives working on it. You're doomed! JK!
.-= Steve Thomas´s last blog ..Stupid People- Not Technology =-.

Srini,

Are you expected to marry another Indian woman? Would your parents still allow you to come home if you didn't?

I'm amazed with Indian weddings. So fun and elaborate!

Best,

Sam
The Yakezie

Sam,

I'm not expected to marry an Indian woman at all. I think my parents are more concerned that there isn't a woman in general. There would be less cause for concern on their part if I was in a relationships. As far as Indian weddings, they are great fun as long as you are not the one paying the bill for the damn thing since half the community feels entitled to an invitation.

Gotcha. I have Indian friends who've done 1-2 week long weddings, and wow.. they must cost a lot! That said, they got a lot in return!

I wouldn't really panic until you reach 40+!
.-= The Yakezie´s last blog ..The Millionaire Nurse Blog- AKA Dr Dean’s Baby! =-.

Great post, and I wish I had been able to read it (or anything similar) 40 years ago. Up until about 6 or 7 years ago, I lived my entire life based on the expectations of others. It messed me up. It is wonderful to see younger people living their own lives instead of a life their parents or community designed for them. Kudos!

Tom,

Thanks. It's funny that you see me as a younger person, yet the community I come from sees me as getting too old for the life I'm living :). I don't think just applies to community, but to life in general. People have certain expectations placed upon them and for some reason we feel compelled to criticize them when they don't meet them

"When he mentioned that there are girls they could introduce me to, part of me was tempted to have him setup a bunch of dates and then write a series here on the blog about it. Then, at least something useful would come out of it."

Love this :)

"You should not live your life based on other people’s expectations. The Indian community might have expectations, but they are not the ones who have to live with my decisions."

And this. Why do people who don't have to deal with the consequences of certain decisions bother having an opinion about those decisions?

Jack, your question about why they have an opinion is one that should be addressed to the Indian community at large. Part of me thinks that they need to create a bit more excitement in their own life and stop trying to live vicariously through mine.